She was falsely convicted of killing her husband when the Los Angeles Police Department reopened a 17-year-old cold case after coercing two witnesses to tape a confession pegging Patricia Wright and family friend Lawrence Slaughter as the killers. "There is nothing I or anyone can say to make what you've been put through any easier," Patricia Prue said. I am outraged at the rush to judgment displayed by the LAPD, wrote Michelle Alexander, civil rights attorney and author of the influential book, The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness, in a letter to Patricia. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. The media love the femme fatale., FBI lab blunder. Lawrence Slaughter is currently serving a life sentence in Calipatria State Prison for the murder of Jerome Scott as well. There is no justice for your loved ones when the wrong person is paying for the crime. Lie detectors are pseudo science. "As horrible as Ms. Jenkins death was, it should stand for something," Marsicovetere said. Its never been made clear. Joanns first husband, New Jersey construction worker Michael Jack, who had reportedly abused her during their marriage, also had a solid alibi. The women testified last week. There is so much in your comment with which I can take issue, but Ill try to keep to the salient points. Three Strikes holds dying innocent woman behind bars: Justice for Patricia Wright I am outraged at the rush to judgment displayed by the LAPD, wrote Michelle Alexander, civil rights attorney and author of the influential book, The New Jim Crow. I have never seen anything this egregious., Requests for Proposals and Qualifications, Families to Amend California's Three Strikes (FACTS), life without possibility of parole (LWOP), National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), What California should do with people convicted of violent felonies, The Folsom 6 who stood up for Yogi are vindicated. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Another glaring omission is Early in the investigation, the police in their zeal to add some substance to their fanciful theory about the gun used in the crime, did a thorough search of Rorrers back yard/garden (where they did target practice) looking for spent shells and bullets, in order to do a forensic comparison with the bullet recovered from the victim. She wanted all men to give her attention but she couldnt have everyones attention, especially ANDREWS!!! No show. His defenders claimed that the confession was coerced, the video was grainy/unclear or doctored and the witness was confused and/or unreliable. So the issue that he was picking up men in downtown Los Angeles was irrelevant to the case although that couldve been a lead to the killer. How so? After researching this case more thoroughly, I stand corrected about the time it took the jury to return a verdict. Now retired, he declined ForensicFilesNow.coms invitation to spar directly with Patricia via a podcast. I had never been in jail before and I wasnt allowed to go outside. WebTexas-born Patricia ("Tissie) Said, formerly of the Owens family, is the mother who lured her two teenage daughters, Sarah and Amina, to their deaths at the hands of their own father Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. "This is the 13th case solved after the creation of the cold case task force," said El Dorado County District Attorney Vern Pierson. But investigators conceded they had no solid evidence against Andrew. The trial was taking so much of my time. Patricia defaulted on her mortgage and then returned to North Carolina, where she eventually moved in with a boyfriend named Brian Ward. Nobody said bodies were intact. And the point the hair in her hand wasnt tested was because they didnt need it since they had the killer shame on everyone who went along with that. WoW! Before receiving her final sentence, Patricia Prue, 35, of Waterford addressed the court saying that her biggest regret was not seeking help for her mental health issues earlier. Locked up. She asked to speak with Andrew, who was home during the call; Joann refused. Before Said was taken away, he heard two victim impact statements. Susan Wright is out of prison after killing her husband in TX. She would also have no heart when it comes to children, not even her own. Interesting thought about the alibi timing. Its definitely getting rougher every day, Andrew told the Morning Call. But thats just some of the ammo on Team Patricias battleship. no blood, no finger-prints and no soil evidence it was as if the car had been wiped clean stated the attending investigating police officer!That itself has to be considered highly suspicious and cast doubt on the hair evidence which WAS found. Very similar. The only record of a call from Patricia to the Katrinak household was on 12/7/94. In 2016, Oklahoma police arrested the mother, Patricia Spann, now 44, and her 26-year-old daughter, Misty Velvet Dawn Spann, charging both of them with incest. Shes still guilty, with her hands did it or not, in regard to baby Alex. "You deserve to die now, not in prison. It makes me sick. Patricia and her defense team denied that allegation and said she owned her home, had no financial issues and that Jerome was dying of liver cancer and only had 60 days to live. At that time he was living in Connecticut. The fat cow is guilty as hell and I hope she continues to have the shit kicked out of her in prison every day of her useless life. The trial was taking so much of my time. The Riverside County public defender stated that the court may reduce her first two offences to misdemeanors because they are classified as wobblers. Wobbler refers to a criminal offense that can be classified as either a misdemeanor or a felony. Judges may have the discretion to reduce a felony in a wobbler case to a misdemeanor. His father confirmed his alibi that they were doing construction work together, putting an addition on the house of friends Tom and Kathy Holschwander, at the time of Joanns disappearance. Said tried to blame the FBI for not searching for an unknown person, he said, was the real killer. Sorry not sorry. Within about seven months of Larry being placed in a maximum-security prison, the LAPD paid him a visit. After Joann Katrinak, the wife of Patricias former flame, turned up dead along with her infant son, prosecutors suspected Patricia. It was just assumed to be crib death. On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. Todays arrest of their father, Yaser Said brings us closer to ensuring justice is served on their behalf.. Sticking to a promise he made before the pair pleaded guilty, the Republican governor announced Tuesday that Mark and Patricia McCloskey were among 12 people granted pardons on Friday. The woman who was showing the home alleged that Patricia was involved in the theft. Traupman claimed that when he reported the dispute, trooper Robert V. Egan III got mad and practically kicked him out of his office. And why would the judge not let the information about Jerome being a homosexual be known to the jury.. But unfortunately other than God only two people know exactly what really happened and one is not alive. "Please do the right thing for Melissa.". The fact that Joanne was found with a hair clutched in her hand that was inconsistent with both her and Patricia (that they conveniently didnt bother to test). Her brother Larrys false confession was all the LAPD needed to put Patricia behind bars. A federal jury found Yassein Abdulfatah Said, 59, guilty on one count of conspiracy to conceal a person from arrest, one count of concealing a person from arrest and one count of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding. Black said she was glad Said took the witness stand, giving her the chance to poke holes in his story, exposing him to everyone who has been watching this case. They tested the hair last night on Reasonable Doubt using updated technology it is definitely Patricias. Did they ever determine cause of death in the baby? Joann Katrinaks Killer Still Has Innocence Advocates(A Woman Scorned, Forensic Files). Claps! False. Another inaccuracy in this is, they state the jury took SIX HOURS to return a verdict, when in fact it took less than TWO HOURS. Irving Police Chief Jeff Spivey hailed authorities for pursuing justice in the case for more than a decade. "I don't have any mercy for that lady," Blasczyk said, referring to Patricia Prue. The investigation is a bit out of place, but the DNA test can be altered only if its made just from a pen, because otherwise it is not possible, only if they said they did it and didnt actually do it, which would be quite difficult because it would mean complicity between many persons. Disagree with Yaser had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014, according to CBS. Ive followed and made a study of this case for more than twenty years and have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. From my point of view, the American police investigations are first hand, and often very poorly done, Ive only seen worse in the British police, which is paradoxical given the laudatory talent of both nationalities, but it is a Scandinavian saying: bigger the mouth, smaller the facts. Her diary certainly indicates some disturbed thinking. Dont even think about arguing with me until they DNA test that hair and the broken fingernail found on her body; Ill just laugh at you. Aside from the hair, there was almost zero forensic evidence. This is all BS.She did it. PS Speculative lies is meaningless. Some people are just monsters. I had five children to take care of and it was costing me so much money to travel two hours from Riverside to Los Angeles and sit in court all day, Patricia said. Dial-a-problem. I thought the justice system in my state and the people were narrow-minded and corrupt. Are you even aware theres a strong suspicion that evidence of the hair, which was DNA matched to her, was tampered with? An infant was lying face down on her stomach. I do. You ought to acquaint yourself thoroughly with the case and not allow yourself to get any further elevated on your high horse. The Dallas Morning News revealed that Patricia said, "All I can say is there's going to be justice," after waiting for 12 years of pain of losing her children. Larry Wrights sentence was reduced to only two years in prison with five years of parole. ALL IT THEN BECOMES IS A SOURCE OF INACCURACIES AND SPECULATION, WHICH ONLY SERVES TO BOLSTER THOSE WITH THAT MENTALITY AND PERPETUATE THE LACK OF TRUTH. The only thing that has changed since this case is the ability of people to access and proclaim crackpot ideas, conspiracies, and all the rest. Probably by the jeans and the boots. All this talk about hairs and other DNA just seems to keep deflecting away from the gun itself. Hoist by my own petard! Quote if I had known I would get caught, I would never have brought you into this world. Pat to Nicole her daughter. The first rule of a murder is motive. What did the ME report as to the age of the baby? They retested the hair for DNA evidence with updated technology definitely Patricias hair case closed. I find it weird that youre going to kill a woman just because she hung up on you and maybe tell you some shitty world because you call like an ex. In a surprise move, Said testified on Monday. No explanation given. They were telling the truth and revealing the type of person she was, a person that definitely would kill out of jealousy and revenge. Your email address will not be published. If you subscribe to Hulu and upgrade to Starz (theres a free one-week trial offer), you can stream the Wrong Man episodes about Patricia Rorrer. And the obvious answer is Ill tell you why (which really is common knowledge). Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a Patricia Prue had been planning to use an insanity defense if the case were to go to trial, but she asked the court in December if she could change her plea so she could begin corresponding with her husband once again. in journalism from the University of Southern California. One of them from his ex-wife, Patricia Owens. Janet Marcelin, a business owner, said the police had her rehearse and record a fake confession after intimidating and harassing her during the investigation. I cant lose them, he told the media. The sisters, who were students at Lewisville High School, were found dead in their fathers taxi in Irving. If I rolled my eyes any harder they might fall out. Owens said because of what Said did, she will never get to see her daughters grow up. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. Any true crime fan should know the crazy history of these magic boxes. Why would somebody tell you, theyre going to fry me, if they didnt do it? Jarrett told Wrong Man. In addition to the Facebook page, there are Reddit threads on her case. Although I would have liked it to be death! She was the one that left Andy! Advocates for her innocence complain of hype surrounding the case. It was her father, Yaser Said who committed the crime of killing his two innocent teen daughters. She didnt kill those two boys and TX knows, but they made too much noise about it, hence this is probably the real reason that Darlie hasnt been put to death 24-25 yrs later. Justice is about uncovering the truth. I dont think she was ever scared until we put the cuffs on her.. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. I was able to email with Patricia via the PrisonConnect platform around Christmastime. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. They were there in the winter months in which the bodies would have been frozen most of the time. Prosecutors said Said, a native of Egypt, was angry that his daughters were dating and that the boys were not Muslim. Police theorize she owned the gun, but its neither here nor there whether she used a particular gun to kill and would make sense (to a wise perp) that the gun couldnt be linked to her by past activity. Yaser Said was sentenced to life in prison without parole for the murder of his two daughters Amina and Sarah Said in 2008. I live in Pennsylvania, not far from where this happened. Owens said Said made her a weak woman but that those days are over. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. Thats my life.. We can help by getting the word out, by bringing a lot more support to a case that is so insanely bizarre, said Geri Silva. Unbloody vehicle. Inside the locked 1992 vehicle, police discovered some strands of blond hair stained with dried blood. She just stayed in touch with everybody, Kathy Barber said in her interview on NBCs Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports in 2017. At 6 a.m. on June 24, 1997, police arrested Patricia at her modest house in Linwood, North Carolina, and took her back to Pennsylvania. Book her. I made the confession on tape that I had rehearsed with the LAPD, said Larry Wright. They were able to match 5 hairs all the same micro DNA which happened to match the DNA pulled from blood samples Pat gave. Four months after Joanns disappearance, farmer Paul Kovalchik reported seeing what at first looked like a pile of clothes on his land in Heidelberg Township woods, about 15 miles from the Katrinaks house. She also will never get to see them get married. Out of the two hairs found in the car only one had enough root to perform a DNA match which did match but police waited to arrest Patricia until a highly advanced and accurate match could be made, which took a year. In pleading guilty, Islam Said admitted that evidence proved he committed the crimes charged in the superseding indictment filed in November 2020. This FBI report, of the hairs being unable to yield a DNA result because of the absent root material, was never revealed to Rorrers defence. The longer it took to find the bodies the easier it would be for her alibis to be believed as it wouldve been harder for people to remember if she was at a dance class etc that she regularly attended on that specific date. I hope she suffers and goes insane from loneliness. Mr Steve J Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. "It's been a long time coming for the family and the community," Warren said. His hair (back in 94-95) was dirty blonde and roughly 8 inches long. From my point of view this is an extremely similar case, with less class and style, and without the luxurious details that Interpols case had, such as the involvement of an extremely expensive Alfa Romeo car, and a revolver bought at a lush auction in Paris, which had belonged to a duke before the incident. Did Patricia have the dyed blond hair when they broke up in 1993? Andy did end up moving to Colorado with her and the last time I checked, they were still together. Said's defense attorney said he will be filing a notice to appeal. The Common Sense Guy you should put yourself on top of the list of deluded people. As I stated previously, if she cannot speak for herself, Im happy to step up on her behalf. There are a number of issues in the case, Kelley said in a letter to his associate, Christopher Darden, including the competency of counsel, prosecutorial misconduct and, of course, compelling legal error by the court.. How could I explain to my daughter years later that I took a plea for something I didnt do? she said. Jenkins at one time had hired Allen Prue to plow her driveway. Her sister stated shed had a religious obsession since she was a child. Patricia Rorrer was a cold woman. A correction to the comment above. After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. You know the answer to that, the same as I do, which is. I would think if she would have an passed they definitely wouldve started looking somewhere else but there was just too much evidence against her anyway so.. and with forensics the way they are today. Yes, that doesnt mean shes unquestionably guilty, but it does mean her case has been relatively exhaustively examined (and its not over) and it means that your assertion that you are right and the guilty camp are wrong (and that this should be obvious) is absurdly overplayed. Everyone lies. Most of your comment absolutely astonishes me. She hadn't lived long enough.". After an hour Id call anyone whod listen to me including police! So, lets take your response one step at a time. Patricia Kopta, Pittsburgh street preacher missing since 1992, found alive in Puerto Rico A woman who was missing for more than 30 years has been found alive and at Opinion: the ideas that a person or a group of people have about something or someone, which are based mainly on their feelings and beliefs, or a single idea of this type.. What the prosecution failed to disclose to Rorrers defence team was that the cops, in their zeal to prove their gun theory, visited several addresses of which Rorrer was resident, dug up the gardens in which she was known to do target practice recovered several shell casings and bullets (more than 70), had them ballistically tested, but NOT ONE was found to be a match to the bullet recovered from the victim. she didnt need to . That, as well as measurements of the babys head (revealing the infant to be of a more advanced age) very much suggest they were killed some considerable time after what was believed at her trial. Nope. Well of course it is, so you overstated your opinion as though you know it to be fact, thus the jury and others were wrong; ironic because youre quick to complain that others are much to sure of *their* opinion shes guilty. "If she could do that as a woman, my God.". Her jealousy and rage because Joann told her to not contact her husband set her off. The prosecution alleged that Patricia called the Katrinaks house from a pay phone in Pennsylvania. He had an attractive new wife and beautiful baby boy. WebTexas-born Patricia (Tissie) Said, the mother of the two girls, should long ago have been charged as an accomplice in their honor killing. One lengthy sentence which goes on and on and concludes with one of my sentences from a previous comment! Every type of cut, bruise etc would heal perfectly in that time. "I want to apologize personally for the fact that my husband wasn't a strong enough human being to admit his wrongs and be able to take his rightful punishment willingly," she said. Those bodies would have been manipulated by something around there. The witness, Traupman, who on several occasions attempted to have his evidence recorded was severely manhandled out of the police station and so badly beaten, he had to be hospitalised. On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. Despite the fact it has never been proved thats exactly how it happened, it seems to be accepted as fact it could just as possibly have been the other way round, beaten and then shot. It showed her usually all-brown hair haphazardly highlighted blond. "Most of the community feels bad for the child To see that in the United States bugs me. Browns action to grant clemency was rescinded after discovering that Patricia Wright had two prior felonies from when her son stole two 99-cent toys and a hand towel from an open house 15 years earlier. You, however seem to have no problem with these hurtful and damaging comments aimed at Rorrer. And your attempt to draw a distinction between a fact and an opinion! I have not SEEN this report that says no root found is there a picture of it online somewhere? Your email address will not be published. I decided to just plead guilty to get it over with.. The phone wire was located at the opposite end of the basement, which was dark. I hope she rots in hell. Pat is locked in a cage because shes an animal. And I hope I can get down to see her., Were very thankful to know that Patty is alive and well, Smith added. Stop defending her when she is guilty!!!!! There was widespread speculation that the sisters were shot in an honor killing a practice in some cultures in which men kill female relatives who are thought to have brought shame upon their families. So whats your point (other than many people are stupid and you arent)? Irelands husband buried it in the yard because he didnt feel comfortable with a firearm inside, she said. Bob Kopta said that his wife had mental health issues and had spoken of going to the warm climate of the island. Another thing that stumps me is Joannes supposed good friend who said that Joanne told her she was leaving Andrew. She is a D-FW native with a B.A. She was wrongfully convicted.. She believed she was chosen as one of Gods 144,000 bond servants on earth, and gave up all her other hobbies, such as dancing, to devote her life to spreading the word of God. Shame on your for defending a vicious killer. Ive found that in nearly every case, those who are firmly of the opinion shes guilty have an extremely limited knowledge of the case theyve watched one (or perhaps more) of the documentaries which make absolutely no attempt to show anything thats in Rorrers favour (theres plenty, if one bothers to look), and worse, revel in exaggerated and speculative scenes, some of which were never even mentioned at her trial. I want to keep the tons of old jewelry but Im perplexed. Theres something very important to this case that needs to be mentioned more than anything else THE GUN. I think we need to realize that each dollar we spend or don't spend could have a serious impact on our society and our safety.". Joanne didnt go missing until December 15, an entire week and a day later. She didnt need to have owned all the guns she ever used, nor to have owned the gun she in fact used. Patricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. Im trying to understand exactly your reasoning asking me staying away from this site because of my insulting remarks! Barry Grube, one of the few, if not only, police officers sympathetic to Patricias cause, noted that Andrew didnt seem particularly frantic while authorities searched desperately for his wife and son. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. The hearing of the motion for reduction of felony to misdemeanor will be held Tuesday, Oct. 11, at 1:30 p.m. in the Riverside Courthouse at 4050 Main St. in Department 42. She got 12 months of probation for shoplifting at a Walmart in Lexington, North Carolina. Keep up your delusions. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? This article seems to have a great many errors and omissions, more by design, I fancy, than a need to tell the story objectively. Allen Prue maintains that he is innocent, and he has appealed his conviction to the Vermont Supreme Court. This article is little more than fiction. WebHis ex-wife and the mother of the teens, Patricia Owens, watched Said as the judge sentenced him. On a secret recording, Patricia asked Jarrett to vouch for her attendance or she might go to the electric char. Patricia Owens called her ex-husband Yaser Said the devil for allegedly murdering their two daughters at his trial in Dallas on Aug. 4, 2022. He gave an audio interview to the Wrong Man investigators when they made a surprise visit to his house, but he declined to appear on camera. The defense argued that the 911 call is not clear and that Said was targeted by investigators because he is a Muslim. Wheres the evidence that Patty was obsessed with Andy? The fact that shortly after Joanns funeral, Andy reconnected with an old friend, a woman who happened to live about 4 miles from where the bodies were found. She had a suitcase packed, Devine said. Then international law enforcement was contacted. Your position Ive read a lot, Im right; you disagree with me, Ill say youre a moron. The couple was not allowed to have contact during court proceedings. Just one example. Its sad that some people just cant move on and continue to feel that what they want is going to be THEIRS regardless. During the tour Alfey was able to slip away into a room that was made for a little boy. The difference between the cases was that the child was not injured and the individual wrote down the details of the plan in a notebook, but otherwise it seems extremely similar to me. In April 2019, 69-year-old Patricia was found guilty of second-degree murder and the use of a firearm in the commission of a felony. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. So, if you feel you have to be critical of me, you should also bear in mind those hate-mongers and perhaps have a word with them too. Senate Bill 1399, the compassionate release bill signed into law a year ago, allows prisoners who are permanently and medically incapacitated to be released from prison and into the care of family and caretakers. Highly charged case. As for Joanns parents, her father died a year after the murder. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports, The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Joanne Chambers and Paula Nawrocki: Strange Lesson. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. . State police and the Philadelphia division of the FBI appealed to the public for leads. Caledonia County Deputy State's Attorney Kirk Williams read a letter from the Jenkins family to the court during the hearing. They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. The person who killed Joann is currently serving a life sentence because 10 months after Joann and Alex died, he killed another woman (who bore a striking resemblance to Joann) and her baby. Your pathetic attempt to insult not only shows a not very original comment, but clearly displays a lack of intelligence. Wright desires to live her last days with her five children and six grandchildren, was in the statement as well. Kidnapped and killed? She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. Those that think that Patricia is innocent are simply groping at straws. Stop trying to prove that everyone who is prosecuted is rightfully prosecuted. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory. He was sentenced Said to life in prison without the possibility of parole. To prove it 110% rather than just 99% I dont know why they wouldnt retest the hair fibers etc. Have a tip or story idea? This woman was obsessed and jealous. Through that testing, the elderly patient was confirmed to be the same woman locally known in Pittsburgh as a street preacher called The Sparrow who vanished and left her family flummoxed. I mean the husband did do some shady things maybe he was involved? She has always denied this allegation and says that both she and Lawrence Slaughter are innocent. Follow her on Twitter at www.twitter.com/LizMurraySMC. She made an effort to look perfectly groomed even when she took out the trash, according to her mother, who appeared on Forensic Files.